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	<title>Comments on: Column Chart Extends Beyond The Scale [Chart Review]</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s more than skipping the last gridline and the last axis tick. That&#039;s having one bar that&#039;s twice as tall as the rest of the chart.

To get this effect in Excel, you would make the chart tall enough for all of the data, then use a few dummy series to draw the box outlining the nominal plot area and the portion of the Y axis that is shown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s more than skipping the last gridline and the last axis tick. That&#8217;s having one bar that&#8217;s twice as tall as the rest of the chart.</p>
<p>To get this effect in Excel, you would make the chart tall enough for all of the data, then use a few dummy series to draw the box outlining the nominal plot area and the portion of the Y axis that is shown.</p>
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		<title>By: Liu 's chart blog</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>Liu 's chart blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon:
thank you for your reply
I want the effect like this:
http://junkcharts.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341e992c53ef010535e493e9970b-320wi

I can make it out by cell,text box, but is there any better method ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon:<br />
thank you for your reply<br />
I want the effect like this:<br />
<a href="http://junkcharts.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341e992c53ef010535e493e9970b-320wi" rel="nofollow">http://junkcharts.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341e992c53ef010535e493e9970b-320wi</a></p>
<p>I can make it out by cell,text box, but is there any better method ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liu -

Supply a few more details, perhaps also a link to a mock up, and I&#039;ll have a look.</description>
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<p>Supply a few more details, perhaps also a link to a mock up, and I&#8217;ll have a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Liu 's chart blog</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Liu 's chart blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon －
Thank you.
by your method ,there is still some difference with  the effect I want</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon －<br />
Thank you.<br />
by your method ,there is still some difference with  the effect I want</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2743</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liu -

In Tony&#039;s example, if you set a minimum of 0, a maximum of 48, and a spacing of 5, the axis will go up to 48, but the last tick mark and gridline will be at 45.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liu -</p>
<p>In Tony&#8217;s example, if you set a minimum of 0, a maximum of 48, and a spacing of 5, the axis will go up to 48, but the last tick mark and gridline will be at 45.</p>
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		<title>By: Liu 's chart blog</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Liu 's chart blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 11:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with derek.
Sometimes, I want to let the column of the big numbers   exceed the bigest gridline,but I dont know how to make out this in excel ,anyone can tell me ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with derek.<br />
Sometimes, I want to let the column of the big numbers   exceed the bigest gridline,but I dont know how to make out this in excel ,anyone can tell me ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://supportanalytics.com/blog/2008/12/column-chart-extends-beyond-the-scale-chart-review/comment-page-1/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek - In this case, I think it makes perfect sense to go up to 50 on the y-axis with ticks in increments of 10.  Good suggestion.

@Jon - If I was only allotted the current data, I probably would have gone with a line chart.  I think most people look at line charts in terms of time scale on the x-axis and bar charts as comparing &quot;things&quot;.  I am generalizing and just drawing my own conclusion based I what I initially think when I look at these types of charts.

Another option is to use a line chart with my single data point example showing the overall percent change from &#039;99 to &#039;07.  This way you can see the changes each year and also have the total change all in one line chart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek &#8211; In this case, I think it makes perfect sense to go up to 50 on the y-axis with ticks in increments of 10.  Good suggestion.</p>
<p>@Jon &#8211; If I was only allotted the current data, I probably would have gone with a line chart.  I think most people look at line charts in terms of time scale on the x-axis and bar charts as comparing &#8220;things&#8221;.  I am generalizing and just drawing my own conclusion based I what I initially think when I look at these types of charts.</p>
<p>Another option is to use a line chart with my single data point example showing the overall percent change from &#8217;99 to &#8217;07.  This way you can see the changes each year and also have the total change all in one line chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony -

If the changes are relatively smooth, as in this case, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth gaining the added resolution of a 35-to-50 scale by removing the clear indication of the entire 0-to-whatever value of each point. Yeah, I know, with markers (as opposed to bars) you don&#039;t need to start at zero.

Remember, showing just this data, unnormalized, was not one of my preferences in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony -</p>
<p>If the changes are relatively smooth, as in this case, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth gaining the added resolution of a 35-to-50 scale by removing the clear indication of the entire 0-to-whatever value of each point. Yeah, I know, with markers (as opposed to bars) you don&#8217;t need to start at zero.</p>
<p>Remember, showing just this data, unnormalized, was not one of my preferences in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think every graph always has to have at least one gridline beyond all the data. I think it&#039;s okay to have data that extends a tiny bit past the last grid line.   

For a scale without gridlines, it&#039;s a little less forgivable, because it&#039;s harder to gauge the last point by eye that way. And here, there was no reason to avoid the fifty, which would have ben a fine round number to use (and which could then have allowed an interval of ten per label, instead of the excessive five per label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think every graph always has to have at least one gridline beyond all the data. I think it&#8217;s okay to have data that extends a tiny bit past the last grid line.   </p>
<p>For a scale without gridlines, it&#8217;s a little less forgivable, because it&#8217;s harder to gauge the last point by eye that way. And here, there was no reason to avoid the fifty, which would have ben a fine round number to use (and which could then have allowed an interval of ten per label, instead of the excessive five per label.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon - I agree that with a little more data, like total population, there could be a more informative chart rather than just total uninsured from &#039;99 - &#039;07.

Why would you not just magnify $35M to $50M with an axis break so the changes are more visible?

Thanks for the comment!  I hope you had a nice Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; I agree that with a little more data, like total population, there could be a more informative chart rather than just total uninsured from &#8217;99 &#8211; &#8217;07.</p>
<p>Why would you not just magnify $35M to $50M with an axis break so the changes are more visible?</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment!  I hope you had a nice Christmas.</p>
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